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Gaskleppie
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Hier ben ik wel heel benieuwd naar!
http://www.omnipowerusa.com/Products/Pr ... ampers.asp
De set heeft 6 (!) veren bijgeleverd in de sterktes 120, 100 en 80 kilo. Je kan dus zelf je ideale set samenstellen!
Grappig, dat heb ik nog nooit gezien! En niet eens zo heel duur voor de mogenlijkheden. Het is natuurlijk wel de vraag hoelang het heel blijft.
Wat ik wel heel mooi vind is dat de wagenhoogte verstelmogenlijkheid niet direkt de voorspanning van de veer beinvloed. Op de meeste europese sets is dit wel het geval wat bij een hoger afgestelde auto er voor zorgt dat de veren keihard worden en bij een mega verlaging juist weer slapper worden. Net wat je niet wilt dus!
Bij dit setje is de veerspanning constand bij verschillende wagen hoogtes en dat laat lekker veel vrijheid toe in je keuze hoe hoog je hem wilt zetten.
http://www.omnipowerusa.com/Products/Pr ... ampers.asp
De set heeft 6 (!) veren bijgeleverd in de sterktes 120, 100 en 80 kilo. Je kan dus zelf je ideale set samenstellen!
Grappig, dat heb ik nog nooit gezien! En niet eens zo heel duur voor de mogenlijkheden. Het is natuurlijk wel de vraag hoelang het heel blijft.
Wat ik wel heel mooi vind is dat de wagenhoogte verstelmogenlijkheid niet direkt de voorspanning van de veer beinvloed. Op de meeste europese sets is dit wel het geval wat bij een hoger afgestelde auto er voor zorgt dat de veren keihard worden en bij een mega verlaging juist weer slapper worden. Net wat je niet wilt dus!
Bij dit setje is de veerspanning constand bij verschillende wagen hoogtes en dat laat lekker veel vrijheid toe in je keuze hoe hoog je hem wilt zetten.
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Gaskleppie
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Ik zal eens informeren wat deze veren kosten om hier te krijgen , ik heb er wel weet van , eerlijk gezegd.
http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/ProductDisplay.asp?SubID=5
http://www.takakaira.co.jp/asp/table.asp?id=340&cat=2&prodid=MNnJkKkfhGielHg
http://www.spoonsportseurope.net/ProductDisplay.asp?SubID=5
http://www.takakaira.co.jp/asp/table.asp?id=340&cat=2&prodid=MNnJkKkfhGielHg
ik heb een Tanabe-tik...maar wat is jullie mening over Tanabe?
TANABE DF210 SPRINGS voor ITR
Spring Rate: 5.4 / 4.2 kg
Lower: 1.0 / 1.0
The GF210 coil spring is geared towards maximum performance, without compromising daily driveability. A subtle drop provides an aggressive stance, while the higher spring rates (+20% - 30% over stock) provide excellent handling and vehicle stability characteristics. These springs provide a very noticeable gain in performance when installed. The GF210 is well mated with a performance shock upgrade to extract the full potential of the coil spring, but will also work with factory equipment. Each coil spring application is tested for fitment and optimal weight distribution for sportier handling.
All of Tanabe coil springs feature SUSTEC 210 Technology. Sustec 210 Technology is a series of manufacturing methods developed to create a stronger, thinner, and lighter spring using only high tensile steel, without adding additional elements that could affect quality, durability, or price. "210" stands for 2100n/m of tensile strength, which is the highest strength ever acheived in a coil spring. The Tanabe Shiga factory in Japan is home to some of the most advanced, unique coil spring machines and processes in the world!
TANABE COIL SPRING MANUFACTURING PROCESS
Tanabe performance coil springs have an extremely high tensile strength of 2100nm using only cold formed steel. This is the meaning behind the '210' suffix at the end of all Tanabe high performance coil spring lines. Within our manufacturing process lies the secret in the Tanabe spring's strength and extended durability. Tanabe owns and operates one of the most advanced coil winding machines in the world, the WAFIOS. This machine is the only one of its kind to be owned and operated in Japan, setting Tanabe apart from all other spring manufacturers in the region. Because the newest model WAFIOS uses patented and proprietary technology, there are very few companies that can use this machinery. Mr. Suteo Tanabe's strong relationship with WAFIOS of Germany and his well known reputation for quality product development and manufacturing helped in the acquisition of this very advanced multi-million dollar machine. In addition to the WAFIOS coil spring machine, Tanabe springs are manufactured using several patent pending processes that cannot be found anywhere in the world!
Step 1 - Cold Winding
Coil spring winding is the process where the high tensile steel is wound in the spring coiling machine, and the spring takes it's shape and length. Large rolls of high tensile steel are fed into this machine for the winding process. Using our advanced WAFIOS machine, our cold winding process maintains a very low temperature to wind the spring. Most springs are manufactured using an older hot winding technique, which heats the spring to a very high temperature to soften the material and make easier to wind. High heat, even for small amounts of time, unfortunately causes a detrimental side effect of causing the internal molecular structure of the steel to expand, which in turn weakens the overall strength. By maintaining a low temperature during our winding process, the internal structure is kept tightly packed, which maintains the steel's strength. Cold winding is the best process for producing a spring with extremely high tensile strengths. Because cold winding does not expose the material to high temperature, very advanced machinery such as our WAFIOS is required. Most manufacturers are unable to cold wind their springs because less advaned winding machines would cause the high tensile steel snap if cold winding was attempted.
Step 2 - Cold Tempering
Tempering is a process that hardens and further strengthens the steel. Tempering improves the consistency of the internal structure to eliminate the possibility of weak spots within the spring. The coil springs are processed through this machine, which keeps them at a specific, constant low temperature for an exact amount of time. This process is monitored closely to ensure that temperatures do not vary so all remaining internal resistance at the molecular level is removed, and the spring increases its strength.
Step 3 - True Individual Shot Peening
Shot peening is a process that shoots various size steel ball bearings against a surface, to cause beneficial unevenness of the surface, which improves tensile strength. Older shot peening processes perform this on one large batch of springs, which greatly reduces actual coverage. This machine is unique in that the coil springs are processed individually to ensure maximum and even coverage during the shot peen process. The coil spring is run through two unique shot peen processes, which is part of the confidential formula for Tanabe's 2100nm of tensile strength. This patent pending process for true individual double shot peening is unique to the Tanabe Shiga factory.
Step 4 - Humid Grinding
For the PRO210 adjustable coilover springs, the top and bottom edges are humid grinded flat, for fitment onto the seats and spring perches. Conventional grinding methods cause excessive friction, which causes high temperatures which dissipate throughout the spring, reducing overall strength due to heat expansion. The Humid Grinding machine is very advanced in that it does not produce excessive heat during the grinding process.
Step 5 - 100% Loading
Loading of the spring is part of the final testing process after production. Loading the spring compresses the spring to measure the strength and ensures tolerances within the spring's structure. Conventional loading processes load it to a maximum of only 50-70%, which causes a possibility of sagging and deformity. Using this machine, the spring is compressed 100% to determine that each spring has full function, and will never deform. By loading the spring to the full 100%, the spring is pre-engineered and tested to never sag.
Step 6 - Measuring and Testing
Each specification for the spring is measured and tested after production, to ensure the spring rates and lengths are even and consistent, which ensures perfect fitment, function, and quality for all springs. The extra steps for quality assurance is part of why Tanabe has the world quality manufacturing certification, ISO9001.
Step 7 - Powder Coat
After production and numerous inspection testing, the springs are finally sent for powdercoating and logos.
TANABE DF210 SPRINGS voor ITR
Spring Rate: 5.4 / 4.2 kg
Lower: 1.0 / 1.0
The GF210 coil spring is geared towards maximum performance, without compromising daily driveability. A subtle drop provides an aggressive stance, while the higher spring rates (+20% - 30% over stock) provide excellent handling and vehicle stability characteristics. These springs provide a very noticeable gain in performance when installed. The GF210 is well mated with a performance shock upgrade to extract the full potential of the coil spring, but will also work with factory equipment. Each coil spring application is tested for fitment and optimal weight distribution for sportier handling.
All of Tanabe coil springs feature SUSTEC 210 Technology. Sustec 210 Technology is a series of manufacturing methods developed to create a stronger, thinner, and lighter spring using only high tensile steel, without adding additional elements that could affect quality, durability, or price. "210" stands for 2100n/m of tensile strength, which is the highest strength ever acheived in a coil spring. The Tanabe Shiga factory in Japan is home to some of the most advanced, unique coil spring machines and processes in the world!
TANABE COIL SPRING MANUFACTURING PROCESS
Tanabe performance coil springs have an extremely high tensile strength of 2100nm using only cold formed steel. This is the meaning behind the '210' suffix at the end of all Tanabe high performance coil spring lines. Within our manufacturing process lies the secret in the Tanabe spring's strength and extended durability. Tanabe owns and operates one of the most advanced coil winding machines in the world, the WAFIOS. This machine is the only one of its kind to be owned and operated in Japan, setting Tanabe apart from all other spring manufacturers in the region. Because the newest model WAFIOS uses patented and proprietary technology, there are very few companies that can use this machinery. Mr. Suteo Tanabe's strong relationship with WAFIOS of Germany and his well known reputation for quality product development and manufacturing helped in the acquisition of this very advanced multi-million dollar machine. In addition to the WAFIOS coil spring machine, Tanabe springs are manufactured using several patent pending processes that cannot be found anywhere in the world!
Step 1 - Cold Winding
Coil spring winding is the process where the high tensile steel is wound in the spring coiling machine, and the spring takes it's shape and length. Large rolls of high tensile steel are fed into this machine for the winding process. Using our advanced WAFIOS machine, our cold winding process maintains a very low temperature to wind the spring. Most springs are manufactured using an older hot winding technique, which heats the spring to a very high temperature to soften the material and make easier to wind. High heat, even for small amounts of time, unfortunately causes a detrimental side effect of causing the internal molecular structure of the steel to expand, which in turn weakens the overall strength. By maintaining a low temperature during our winding process, the internal structure is kept tightly packed, which maintains the steel's strength. Cold winding is the best process for producing a spring with extremely high tensile strengths. Because cold winding does not expose the material to high temperature, very advanced machinery such as our WAFIOS is required. Most manufacturers are unable to cold wind their springs because less advaned winding machines would cause the high tensile steel snap if cold winding was attempted.
Step 2 - Cold Tempering
Tempering is a process that hardens and further strengthens the steel. Tempering improves the consistency of the internal structure to eliminate the possibility of weak spots within the spring. The coil springs are processed through this machine, which keeps them at a specific, constant low temperature for an exact amount of time. This process is monitored closely to ensure that temperatures do not vary so all remaining internal resistance at the molecular level is removed, and the spring increases its strength.
Step 3 - True Individual Shot Peening
Shot peening is a process that shoots various size steel ball bearings against a surface, to cause beneficial unevenness of the surface, which improves tensile strength. Older shot peening processes perform this on one large batch of springs, which greatly reduces actual coverage. This machine is unique in that the coil springs are processed individually to ensure maximum and even coverage during the shot peen process. The coil spring is run through two unique shot peen processes, which is part of the confidential formula for Tanabe's 2100nm of tensile strength. This patent pending process for true individual double shot peening is unique to the Tanabe Shiga factory.
Step 4 - Humid Grinding
For the PRO210 adjustable coilover springs, the top and bottom edges are humid grinded flat, for fitment onto the seats and spring perches. Conventional grinding methods cause excessive friction, which causes high temperatures which dissipate throughout the spring, reducing overall strength due to heat expansion. The Humid Grinding machine is very advanced in that it does not produce excessive heat during the grinding process.
Step 5 - 100% Loading
Loading of the spring is part of the final testing process after production. Loading the spring compresses the spring to measure the strength and ensures tolerances within the spring's structure. Conventional loading processes load it to a maximum of only 50-70%, which causes a possibility of sagging and deformity. Using this machine, the spring is compressed 100% to determine that each spring has full function, and will never deform. By loading the spring to the full 100%, the spring is pre-engineered and tested to never sag.
Step 6 - Measuring and Testing
Each specification for the spring is measured and tested after production, to ensure the spring rates and lengths are even and consistent, which ensures perfect fitment, function, and quality for all springs. The extra steps for quality assurance is part of why Tanabe has the world quality manufacturing certification, ISO9001.
Step 7 - Powder Coat
After production and numerous inspection testing, the springs are finally sent for powdercoating and logos.
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Gaskleppie
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Tot welke hardheid is te gaan met ed ITR , ik lees op diverse buitenlandse fora's dat sommige met +10 rijden en dat is volgens hun zeggen nog redelijk comfortabel.
Het zou mij niks uitmaken of het onderstel nog harder word , ik gebruik hem toch niet als woon/werk auto puur voor de hobby.
De Tein veren zijn iets zachter als de Spoon veren , maar deze veren zijn net iets stugger als de OEM veren , het zal je een iets betere feedback geven maar stug zal het wel niet worden.
Wat zijn dan mooie setjes?En veersterktes?
Het zou mij niks uitmaken of het onderstel nog harder word , ik gebruik hem toch niet als woon/werk auto puur voor de hobby.
De Tein veren zijn iets zachter als de Spoon veren , maar deze veren zijn net iets stugger als de OEM veren , het zal je een iets betere feedback geven maar stug zal het wel niet worden.
Wat zijn dan mooie setjes?En veersterktes?
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Gaskleppie
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Ja oké , hebben ze ook .
Maar ze zullen je wat meer feedback geven maar echt stug is het niet.
Ik denk dat je losse progressieve veren niet veel harder zult vinden.
Dan zul je echt naar een complete set toe moeten.
Er rijden er toch ook met Tein veren , hoe vinden die die dan?Want de Tein veren zorgen meer voor verlaging dan dat ze echt wat stugger zijn want ze hebben eigenlijk bijna dezelfde waarde als de stock veren.Niet dat dat erg is natuurliojk maar was gewoon benieuwd naar wat redelijk is als veersterktes.
Maar ze zullen je wat meer feedback geven maar echt stug is het niet.
Ik denk dat je losse progressieve veren niet veel harder zult vinden.
Dan zul je echt naar een complete set toe moeten.
Er rijden er toch ook met Tein veren , hoe vinden die die dan?Want de Tein veren zorgen meer voor verlaging dan dat ze echt wat stugger zijn want ze hebben eigenlijk bijna dezelfde waarde als de stock veren.Niet dat dat erg is natuurliojk maar was gewoon benieuwd naar wat redelijk is als veersterktes.
mja, ik heb dus de Tein Flex onder de Civic gehad en ik ben er erg over te spreken...
Ik heb daarvoor Koni Geel met Chiels Bos veren gehad, op de ee8, en dat is 'gemener'... terwijl ik het gevoel had dat de Tein set echt wel beter is qua grip etc...
Probleem is dat ik van die Chiel Bos veren geen sterktes heb gehad... dus geen vergelijking op getallen kan maken...
Ook is de Civic van nature een rustiger auto dan de CRX, dus dat is ook een verschil!
Ik heb echter een volgende vraag:
De Flex set van mijn EK past ook op de ITR (met EG VTi draagarmen achter, oog vs vork)... echter: de Flex heeft achter 5kg veren voor de Civic, tov 4kg voor de ITR...
Kan iemand inzicht geven wat dat betekend, als verschil? jumpy op de kont? trigger-happy als in TE makkelijk kontje zwaaien?
Ik heb daarvoor Koni Geel met Chiels Bos veren gehad, op de ee8, en dat is 'gemener'... terwijl ik het gevoel had dat de Tein set echt wel beter is qua grip etc...
Probleem is dat ik van die Chiel Bos veren geen sterktes heb gehad... dus geen vergelijking op getallen kan maken...
Ook is de Civic van nature een rustiger auto dan de CRX, dus dat is ook een verschil!
Ik heb echter een volgende vraag:
De Flex set van mijn EK past ook op de ITR (met EG VTi draagarmen achter, oog vs vork)... echter: de Flex heeft achter 5kg veren voor de Civic, tov 4kg voor de ITR...
Kan iemand inzicht geven wat dat betekend, als verschil? jumpy op de kont? trigger-happy als in TE makkelijk kontje zwaaien?
Wat ik wil zeggen is: Als je veren neemt die niet veel stugger zijn dan stock, dan is het verschil ook klein. Je auto ligt dan alleen lager (wel opnieuw uitlijnen!!).
Als je weer veel stuggere veren neemt vgl. met stock dan match dat weer niet met stock dempers. Dan heb je weer bijpassende dempers nodig.
Als je weer veel stuggere veren neemt vgl. met stock dan match dat weer niet met stock dempers. Dan heb je weer bijpassende dempers nodig.