Wat the F*ck is er met Honda F1 aan de hand???
Mathy M wrote:Van mij mag B. Senna aanschuiven.
En die met een "slechte" Honda laten rijden. Dan heb ik liever dat de naam Senna beter in ere wordt gehouden door hem iets goeds onder zijn ... te steken.
Tenzij de Honda van volgend jaar het er beter vanaf gaat brengen. Met deze wordt toch niets meer gedaan.
KERS in F1 - the basics
Wednesday, 24 September 2008 Sam Collins 0 Comments
Print Comment Mail RSS Feed A look at who is doing what with Formula 1 hybrids
With both Formula 1 and LMP1 using kinetic energy recovery systems (KERS) next year we thought we would outline the basic systems and also try to detail what each team is using. Obviously some of the following is pure speculation, what we do know is that Williams, Flybrid Systems and Zytek are offering off the shelf systems.
The basic system types
Flywheel
Very simply the system comprises a flywheel connected by a continuously variable transmission [CVT] to the drivetrain. If you move the CVT toward a gear ratio that would speed the flywheel up it stores energy. Conversely, if you move toward a ratio that would slow it down then it releases energy. Finally, a clutch separates the drive if the revs move beyond the limits of the system.
Williams and Flybrid both offer customer versions for F1 teams.
How Flybrid works Williams Hybrid system
Electronic
Uses motor generators and an electrical storage mediuem, either Li-ion batteries or supercapacitors. The Tokachi 24 Hours winning Toyota Supra was fitted with a capacitor based system but the Peugeot 908HY uses Li-ion batteries. The batteries do have a number of issues such as the cost and frequency of replacement also cell have been known to explode or catch fire.
Blue= Engine
Orange = Gearbox
Green = Motor/Generator
Purple = batteries
Black = Control Unit
Hydraulic
A hydraulic based system stores the recovered energy in a high pressure vessel within the car. McLaren’s original KERS from 1998 was of this type.
Aston University GDI hybrid
Other Mechanical
A number of other systems have been proposed but non have been applied to a competition car.
F1
Ferrari – Electronic (Zytek?)
McLaren – Electronic (in house)
Honda – Flywheel (Flybrid?)
Renault – Unknown
Force India – Electronic (Zytek?)
Toro Rosso – Electronic
Red Bull – Electronic
Williams – Flywheel (in house)
Toyota – unknown (in house)
BMW Sauber – Electronic
LMP1 (all systems are electronic)
Peugeot – Batteries
Zytek – Batteries
Toyota – Capacitors
Honda - unknown
Related articles
F1 2009 Regulations
Flybrid F1 KERS
Williams F1 KERS
Luca Marmorini on KERS
Peugeot 908 HY: A False Dawn
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... asics.html
Dat Honda kiest voor het flywheel is verbazend. Men heeft als jaren ervaring met een electronisch systeem
Wednesday, 24 September 2008 Sam Collins 0 Comments
Print Comment Mail RSS Feed A look at who is doing what with Formula 1 hybrids
With both Formula 1 and LMP1 using kinetic energy recovery systems (KERS) next year we thought we would outline the basic systems and also try to detail what each team is using. Obviously some of the following is pure speculation, what we do know is that Williams, Flybrid Systems and Zytek are offering off the shelf systems.
The basic system types
Flywheel
Very simply the system comprises a flywheel connected by a continuously variable transmission [CVT] to the drivetrain. If you move the CVT toward a gear ratio that would speed the flywheel up it stores energy. Conversely, if you move toward a ratio that would slow it down then it releases energy. Finally, a clutch separates the drive if the revs move beyond the limits of the system.
Williams and Flybrid both offer customer versions for F1 teams.
How Flybrid works Williams Hybrid system
Electronic
Uses motor generators and an electrical storage mediuem, either Li-ion batteries or supercapacitors. The Tokachi 24 Hours winning Toyota Supra was fitted with a capacitor based system but the Peugeot 908HY uses Li-ion batteries. The batteries do have a number of issues such as the cost and frequency of replacement also cell have been known to explode or catch fire.
Blue= Engine
Orange = Gearbox
Green = Motor/Generator
Purple = batteries
Black = Control Unit
Hydraulic
A hydraulic based system stores the recovered energy in a high pressure vessel within the car. McLaren’s original KERS from 1998 was of this type.
Aston University GDI hybrid
Other Mechanical
A number of other systems have been proposed but non have been applied to a competition car.
F1
Ferrari – Electronic (Zytek?)
McLaren – Electronic (in house)
Honda – Flywheel (Flybrid?)
Renault – Unknown
Force India – Electronic (Zytek?)
Toro Rosso – Electronic
Red Bull – Electronic
Williams – Flywheel (in house)
Toyota – unknown (in house)
BMW Sauber – Electronic
LMP1 (all systems are electronic)
Peugeot – Batteries
Zytek – Batteries
Toyota – Capacitors
Honda - unknown
Related articles
F1 2009 Regulations
Flybrid F1 KERS
Williams F1 KERS
Luca Marmorini on KERS
Peugeot 908 HY: A False Dawn
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/arti ... asics.html
Dat Honda kiest voor het flywheel is verbazend. Men heeft als jaren ervaring met een electronisch systeem
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Gaskleppie
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This observation is even further reinforced with the introduction of the Vemac RD408-H, one of the world's first hybrid racing cars.
What makes the RD408-H interesting is its hybrid electric/gasoline engine which was developed by Tokyo R&D. It mates the current Mugen MF408S V8 to twin Pues liquid-cooled, direct current, electric engines. These form a compact unit that is sandwitched between the V8 and upgraded tranmission. As a result, the V8's power is doubled and the available torque rasies to 686 ft lbs (930 nm)!@
The first car to be equipped with a Mugen hybrid engine is a Vemac RD408 which might contest the upcoming 2007 season of the GT300 category in Japan's Super GT series, that is, if the officials let it pass scrutinizing. Four similar Tokyo R&D Vemacs have raced the series for the last two years, albeit with the standard MF408S engine and the CB32 inline-6 from the Acura NSX.
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Gaskleppie
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Ik denk dat ik het grote verschil tussen beide systemen heb gevonden:
Met andere woorden, de Honda die een vliegwiel heeft zal na elke bocht iets sneller weg kunnen accelereren omdat een vliegwiel natuurlijk niet even 7 seconde lang kan meehelpen, en de rest van de teams kan vermogen 5n de acc4's sparen tot ze het nodig hebben, en op aanvraag kunnen oproepen.
,,Het is juist KERS, dat close racing mogelijk maakt. Met volle batterijen heeft elke coureur straks per knopdruk 82 pk extra ter beschikking gedurende zeven seconden.'' Dat heeft een marginaal effect op de rondetijden, maar des te meer als je wiel aan wiel rijdt met een rivaal, aldus de Brit.
Met andere woorden, de Honda die een vliegwiel heeft zal na elke bocht iets sneller weg kunnen accelereren omdat een vliegwiel natuurlijk niet even 7 seconde lang kan meehelpen, en de rest van de teams kan vermogen 5n de acc4's sparen tot ze het nodig hebben, en op aanvraag kunnen oproepen.
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